Great Gulf Homes plans 46-storey condo tower for corner in sketchy Dundas-Jarvis neighbourhood

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Pace Condos site at Dundas and Jarvis

Developer Great Gulf Homes has acquired this property at the southwest corner of Dundas and Jarvis Streets for its proposed 46-storey Pace Condos tower

 

Pace Condos billboard at Dundas and Jarvis Streets

On-site promotional billboard for the Pace Condos tower

 

Seedy site: I had been wondering when a developer was going to announce plans to build a condo tower at the seedy southwest corner of Dundas and Jarvis Streets. It’s not a nice neighbourhood by any stretch of the imagination, but real estate is all about location and that’s one of the few redeeming features for this prime piece of downtown property just a short walk from the Toronto Eaton Centre and the Yonge subway line. Late last year I noticed that the three businesses in the small commercial plaza on the corner had been closed and their windows papered over. I kept waiting to hear word about a development proposal for the property, but didn’t see any signs on the site in either January or February. But when I passed by the corner just over a week ago, and saw that chainlink fencing had been erected around the plaza, I knew an announcement was imminent. On March 14, it happened: prominent Toronto condo developer GreatGulf Homes filed a rezoning application with the City, proposing to build a 46-storey condo tower with 417 suites, five levels of underground parking and a 10-storey podium with street-level retail space. A billboard promoting Pace Condos — “downtown tower suites from the low $200s” — promptly went up on the corner where it’s certain to catch the attention of motorists driving along busy Jarvis Street on their way to and from the Financial District.

When I told some friends earlier this winter that I suspected a condo would be built on the site, they looked incredulous and said: “No way! Who the hell would want to live there?” Obviously, Great Gulf is confident they can find 417 potential buyers, and I’m sure they’ve done their research. After all, they know their stuff: they’re the company behind several of downtown Toronto’s hottest condo developments.  Their X Condominium tower only eight blocks north of the Pace Condos site was a huge hit with buyers, and two other condo towers Great Gulf is currently constructing — X2 Condos at Jarvis & Charles, and Charlie condos on King Street West in the Entertainment District — were enormously successful, too. One Bloor Condos is destined to achieve similar stellar sales; construction of that tower is expected to commence later this year at Yonge and Bloor Streets.

Still, it’s fair to say that the area around the Pace Condos site is a helluva lot less desirable than the locations of GreatGulf’s other projects. Dundas & Jarvis sits on the periphery of one of the poorest residential areas in all of Canada, a vast downtown district with one of the country’s largest concentrations of homeless people and residents earning poverty-level incomes or collecting social assistance — people who have no hope of ever being able to live at Pace Condos or in a condo anywhere, for that matter. Meanwhile, if Pace Condos does get built, anyone who buys an east-facing unit will have views overlooking dozens of rooming houses, homeless shelters, government-subsidized apartments and social service agencies — all just a short stroll from their front door. And as the Toronto Star pointed out in a photo gallery on March 18, the epicentre of the city’s worst area for overall crime is the intersection of Dundas and Sherbourne Streets, just two blocks east. While I was taking photos on Dundas Street this afternoon, a young black man approached me. “Make sure you take pictures showing this place like it really is — me standing here drinking from a bottle of booze in a paper bag in broad daylight, those guys over on that corner dealing crack cocaine, all those homeless people over there and the guys doing drugs down there,” he told me, pointing at each corner of the Dundas-Jarvis intersection before taking a long drink from his bottle. He, along with all the street people who kept staring at me or asking for spare change, made me wonder why anyone would want to pay $200,000+ to buy a condo there. Until he added: “And make sure you take pictures of how everything looks like now so you can remember it because, in a few years, there’s probably gonna be lots of new buildings all around here. This is gonna be a good place to live. It’s not always gonna look like this.”

Maybe he’s right — maybe things are finally starting to look up for this down-on-hard-times district. There’s already several condo buildings close by, including the popular and pricey Merchandise Lofts, as well as two hotels — with a third hotel and more condos in the works. Right across the street, the Ontario government is retrofitting and modernizing the massive building at 222 Jarvis Street into a new workplace for the Ontario Public Service. And the rapidly-growing Ryerson University campus is just a block away. Could the arrival of Pace Condos herald a turn-around for this sketchy streetcorner? We’ll have to wait a few years to see. In the meantime, here’s some photos showing the Pace Condos site and its immediate neighbours as they look now.

 

Dundas-Jarvis site for proposed Pace Condos tower

January 3 2011: Looking west at the small plaza at Dundas & Jarvis Streets

 

Dundas-Jarvis site for proposed Pace Condos tower

January 3 2011: The office towers of the Financial District are only blocks away

 

Dundas-Jarvis site for proposed Pace Condos tower

February 18 2011: The Eaton Centre is just a 10-minute walk west

 

proposed location for the Pace Condos tower

March 22 2011: Looking south on Jarvis Street toward the Pace Condos site. If built, Pace would obstruct this view of the 45-storey Spire condo tower on Lombard Street, visible in the center of the photograph.

 

Dundas-Jarvis site for proposed Pace Condos tower

March 22 2011: Pace Condos site seen from northeast corner of Dundas & Jarvis

Dundas-Jarvis site for proposed Pace Condos tower

Commercial tenants of this plaza — including a convenience store, two restaurants and a coin-operated laundry facility– closed up shop months ago. The parking lot was fenced off just within the past 10 days.

 

Dundas-Jarvis site for proposed Pace Condos tower

The buildings to the west and southwest include luxury condos, rental apartments, co-op apartments and government-subsidized rental accommodation

 

Dundas-Jarvis site for proposed Pace Condos tower

South view of the Pace Condos site from the opposite side of Dundas St. The brown brick building is 192 Jarvis, a 14-storey condominium built in 1985.

 

Pace Condos marketing billboard

A billboard advertises Pace Condos to passersby on Dundas and Jarvis Streets

 

192 Jarvis Street condo building

The 192 Jarvis condo rises above the fenced-off plaza on Dundas Street

 

Dundas-Jarvis site for proposed Pace condos tower

A view of the exterior of two of the plaza’s former commercial tenants

 

the site for the proposed Pace Condos tower

These now-vacant properties — ICITS computer training at 155 Dundas East, New Moon Bar at 157 Dundas East, and Palmers West Indian Restaurant at 159 Dundas East — are all part of the site for the proposed Pace Condos tower

 

Vacant properties next to the Pace Condo towers site

The Grand Hotel on Jarvis Street and the 192 Jarvis condominium building sit to the south and southeast of the site of the proposed Pace Condos tower

 

Vacant properties next to the Pace Condo towers site

If approved by City Hall, Pace Condos would stand three times taller than these two buildings; it would be the highest tower in the neighbourhood

Ho Lee Chow and Grand Hotel on Jarvis Street

The Ho-Lee-Chow takeout restaurant on the southeast corner of Dundas & Jarvis; the Grand Hotel is situated a few doors south at 225 Jarvis Street

 

Hilton Garden Inn on northeast corner of Dundas & Jarvis

The Hilton Garden Inn on the northeast corner of Dundas & Jarvis. Years ago, before it was converted into a hotel, this building housed offices of the federal unemployment insurance department

 

222 Jarvis across the street from proposed Pace Condos site

222 Jarvis sits across the street from the Pace Condos site, directly to the north. At one time the headquarters for Sears Canada, the building is being retrofitted and modernized as offices for the Ontario Public Service

 

Mutual Street Deli

Mutual Street Deli on the north side of Dundas St. across from Pace Condos

 

7 thoughts on “Great Gulf Homes plans 46-storey condo tower for corner in sketchy Dundas-Jarvis neighbourhood

  1. Gee

    Is this a good place to invest in? Do you think prices will rise at the same rate as they are in other parts of downtown Toronto?

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    1. TOblogeditor Post author

      Interesting question. From what I know, condos have been a good investment anywhere in the downtown area, and this one should be, too. Perhaps some of our real estate agent or property investment readers can add their thoughts.

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  2. Gee

    Well, real estate agents always paint a rosy picture. So, their words can’t be fully trusted. On one hand Ryerson university is in close proximity and young line is 10 mins (walking dispance?) away and so is Eaton center. On the other hand you have run down old apartment buildings (which are not going away), government housing and so on, right at door steps of Jarvis and Dundas. So it is hard to guess if prices will appreciate as fast.

    The floor plans released thus far aren’t that nice in my opinion. Most high level floors are facing north or north east. Couple one beds are facing south. In this location, I wouldn’t go for anything which is not facing south. Thoughts?

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    1. TOblogeditor Post author

      Spoke today with a realtor who said he has been asked by clients if this condo would be a good investment and has told them he thinks not. Besides the location, he feels the prices are too high, and so he would not recommend it. I also have asked several friends who are familiar with the area; none said they would consider buying a condo there either as an investment property or as a place to live.

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  3. laxmi n

    I filled the worksheet for floor 20th but didnt get any assignment. The agent is telling me that there are very few agent who can sell and every agent got few/one floor to sell. Sounds Crazy but looks like they are creating a vibe with “sold out” but i am sure the response is more than they expected…

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  4. Greg

    I live in this area. It is a great spot, nothing like the author of this article says it is. Street people yes but no more than any other part of the core. But it is safe, many parks around, many people out and about to take in the good restaurants, to go for a walk or walk their dog (there a many dogs in the area). Yes there is social housing, mostly in the Co-ops, which is not social housing but geared-to-income, and many in the co-ops pay market rent. There are many new buildings set to be built (both condo and rental) and Ryerson is on a big expansion program. I could go on, but my part of Toronto if far from ‘sketchy’. And BTW, Pace is 80% sold.

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